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My friend, James Clear, wrote a very thought-provoking article, titled The Four Burners Theory: The Downside of Work-Life Balance. You should go check it out.

Imagine a stovetop with four burners. Each burner represents one of the following areas of your life:

1. Health
2. Work
3. Family
4. Friends

The premise is that:

In order to be successful you have to cut off one of your burners.

And in order to be really successful you have to cut off two.

I found James’ article very thought-provoking and wanted to have a conversation about it with Matt.

We wouldn’t suggest taking the theory as law, but it provided some great food for thought. For instance, I find the lack of a “Personal Time” category peculiar. One could argue that would go under “Health” but that seems like stretching it.

Regardless, we really just took the theory at face value as a starting point for a conversation.

I don’t expect you to agree with everything. Certainly your priorities are unique. I just expect you to think. If I get you to think, I’ve done my job.

Thanks again to James Clear for writing such a thought-provoking article.

Highlights, Takeaways, Quick Wins
  • The reality is you cannot be good at everything at the same time.
  • There is no balance, there’s only sacrifice.
  • People who are successful made sacrifices to get there.
  • Whatever you give your time to will flourish.
  • Don’t judge anyone who has their priorities in a different order than you.
  • Define success for yourself.
  • Unless the people you’re friends with right now are on board, they’re not going to help you get where you want to go.
  • If you prioritize something, you’re not prioritizing something else.
  • Finding fulfillment in the season you’re in now doesn’t mean you’re saying no to other things forever.
  • People think it’s possible to balance everything, but you can only be mediocre in all areas.
  • Don’t pursue balance, pursue fulfillment.
  • If you want to see great results in any area, you have to focus your efforts and time there.
Show Notes
  • 00:49 Sean: My friend James Clear wrote a very thought provoking article called The Four Burners Theory: The Downside of Work-Life Balance. I was so intrigued by it that I wanted to talk with Matt about it. I’m totally taking James’ title and I want to pay homage to him. Go read that article, you’re going to get a lot out of it. James didn’t actually come up with this theory. He found out about it from someone who had found out about it from someone else who read a story in the NY Times from a lady who had heard about it at a conference. If you want to find the source, good luck.

Health, Work, Family, & Friends

  • 02:02 Imagine a stovetop with four burners: health, work, family, and friends. The premise of the theory is in order to be successful, you have to cut off one of your burners. In order to be really successful, you have to cut off two. This was really interesting to me. In the article James wrote, he goes on to explore three ways to approach this:
    • Outsource
    • Embrace the constraints
    • Think in seasons
  • 03:53 I like the seasons approach. I thought Matt would like the first one, outsources. Say you’ve got kids and a business. In your business, you can get to a place where you’re outsourcing things—you’re only working a few hours a week and someone else is taking care of the work.
  • 04:21 Maybe you have to do some extra work in the beginning to get that going. Some people outsource childcare—babysitters, nannies, daycare—because they’re focusing on health, business, or friends. He goes on to say that he doesn’t know any parents who would prefer that to spending time with their kid, but you have to compromise. You have to figure out what you’re going to cut.

The reality is you cannot be good at everything at the same time.

  • 05:03 Matt: I think the faster you realize that instead of fighting it, the more you get done. I’ve tried many times to run all four burners at the same time and you can only do it for so long. Eventually you’ll start letting down one of those burners.
  • 05:25 Sean: Probably the health one, because we could put sleep under health. If you’re trying to do all of it, you’re probably not going to be sleeping, which effects your health. For me, I tend to go with his third option of embracing seasons. I was talking to Cory about this and he said he sees it on a micro level of weeks or days at a time. Maybe one week he’s more focused on work and the other he’s more focused on friends. I guess I’m more macro in the sense that my seasons are years.
  • 06:07 In high school, it might have been more about friends and health because I was in sports. Then it turned into focusing on work, which is a season I’ve been in for a decade now. I feel like I’m entering into a season of prioritizing health more. I realize I’ve been sacrificing. I’ve cut all of the other burners but work. The theory is to cut off a burner if you want to be successful and to cut off two if you want to be really successful, and I’m over here cutting off three burners to do this work thing.
  • 07:02 My only good friends do podcasts with me. I’ve been in work mode–no friends, no health. The joke is I don’t go outside and I know that’s not good. In the last two years, it’s gotten to the point where Laci misses me and wants to go on dates. In the past six months to a year, I’ve been making an effort to prioritize that. I want to make sure we have time together and go on dates. More recently, especially this week, I’m getting back on my early wake schedule by getting up at 6am.
  • 07:53 Grant Cardone says to never take advice from a quitter, which I totally agree with, but then he said, “You quit every day! You set an alarm and then snooze it every morning. You’re quitting on yourself!” Oh man, that got me. I’m snoozing every morning and I’m being a quitter. What is a quitter? Someone who quits a bunch. If I’m snoozing every day, I’m being a quitter. I want people to take my advice! No more snoozing for me. I’ve been so set on not snoozing that I’ve been waking up at 5am on my own and jumping out of bed because I’m so scared of being a quitter.
  • 09:15 Even the other night, I had a bunch of slides to do for a live event the next day and they weren’t done. My past self was telling me to push into the night to get them done so I’d feel more relaxed instead of getting up early. I said no, because things take as long as you give them. I decided to wake up early to do the slides and prepare for both podcast episodes I was doing that day. I had one hour and 45 minutes to do the slides and I got them done.
  • 10:11 I want to prioritize waking up early because I want to chain together my habits and the next part for me is health. I want to get back to running like I said I would do before I broke my toe, had course launches, and was overworking myself. No more excuses. I want to nail this one at a time—early wake and then health. I approach this four burners problem in the seasonal aspect. I’ve been focusing on my business for years and it’s getting to the point where it’s finally able to make money without me being there. I’m not going to be young forever, I need to start prioritizing the health part.
  • 11:14 Matt: I think I would have to go with the seasonal thing as well. I tend to leave the work on and turn everything else off, like Sean. Just a couple of months ago, I didn’t talk to any friends. Cory and Sean were my only friends. I was eating horribly and I wasn’t running. I hadn’t seen my parents and my bothers in who knows how long. I do like the outsourcing one too though. The business machine is still running, but I’m still a stickler about quality.

Success Means Sacrifice

  • 12:36 Sean: What kills me the most is that you can’t outsource the health or family ones. To a degree you can outsource family, like getting daycare of your kids. You can’t outsource for your wife. You’ve got to take the time to watch your spouse’s favorite show and do the things they enjoy doing (Related: e013 Communicating and Spending Heart Time With Your Spouse). I think this episode is important because people hear us talk about business, money, and success, but you don’t see the sacrifices. You don’t see that we have all of the other burners turned off and that’s reality.

People who are successful or who have money and exposure that you don’t have made sacrifices to get there.

  • 14:02 That’s not even to say they’re the right sacrifices. Maybe they don’t have good relationships with their friends or family. You don’t know that and that’s why it’s really important not to compare yourself to other people. You don’t know their situation.
  • 14:37 Matt: Compare or want. I just met a client who had a Lamborghini, some Ferraris, an old Shelby, and all these fancy things, but he had just gotten divorced from his third wife and his kids hate him. He’s got a beautiful, perfect house and lawn. He’s a very successful multimillionaire, but everyone in his family and his friends hated him. You have to pick and choose what it is you want to be. It’s difficult to pick a burner. Maybe someone is all in on family and work, but you have to take into account how far you want to go.
  • 15:36 The further you want to get in life, the more time it’s going to take. If I have four burners and a limited amount of gas for the stove, which represents time, you can only put so much gas into so many of the burners at the same time. If you have two burners, you’re using half the gas, but if you put all of the gas to one burner, it’s just going to burn hotter.
  • 16:17 Sean: It is going to burn hotter. Aaron Dowd is better at health than me.
  • 16:35 Matt: I am a little jealous about that and I get disappointed in myself, but I try to justify it. I can’t put more time toward health right now. I wish I could bike more like Aaron does, but I can’t. That’s one of the things I’m making a choice not to do, but I could.
  • 17:12 Sean: You mean you can’t because of your other choices. Aaron has obviously prioritized health. He makes a point to do that. He’s training for an Ironman—running, biking, and swimming. Here’s the other side of the coin though, let’s be honest: I’m better at business than Aaron because I’ve put more hours into it. Picture a triangle with a line on top. If the triangle is perfectly in the middle, it will balance the line—that’s a fulcrum. A seesaw is usually attached to the ground in the middle; it’s acting like a fulcrum. If you have equal weight on either side, the seesaw will be balanced.
  • 19:05 Now, imagine one side is pushed down—the closer to the ground it is, the more effective it is. Say you have the health side pushed all the way to the ground, you’re the master at health. Your physical fitness is topnotch, you’re in the greatest shape of your life. If one side of the seesaw is business and it’s pushed all the way to the business, you’re cranking it. Revenue is just coming in and you have so much wealth.

The inherent problem with the concept of work-life balance is that there is no balance, there’s only sacrifice.

  • 19:46 It’s a matter of priority and sacrifice. You will have whatever you prioritize. Whatever you give your time to will flourish. It’s like watering plants—you give your time and attention to it and it will do really well. If you spend a lot of time with your friends, you will have lots of friends and deep relationships.
  • 20:10 If you spend a lot of time on your business, you will make a lot of money and have success. If you spend a lot of time with your family and give your attention to them, you’ll have great family relationships. There’s this idea of work-life balance and I think you shouldn’t find balance, you should find fulfillment. If you have equal parts of two things, they’re both going to be mediocre. You cannot be great at all four things—health, work, family, and friends.
  • 20:49 You cannot be the best at all of them. You cannot be the most successful business person and the person who’s in the best shape with perfect family relationships and deep relationships with friends, because all of them take time. All of them take the gas to the burners and you only have so much. You have 24 hours of gas in the pipe and you can only cook on some of the burners. You have to allocate it and turn down the burners.

Define Success for Yourself

  • 21:21 I take issue with this idea of balance, because if you keep all the burners at a low heat, you can’t cook something beyond the point of being safe to eat. You have to focus your energy. I’m not saying the theory is law, but the theory is you have to turn off one of the burners if you want to be successful; you have to turn off two burners if you want to be really successful. That’s where you have to define success for yourself. I’m doing great at business—better than all my friends except Matt.
  • 22:56 You are the average of your five closest friends. If Matt is the only person doing better than me, that’s a problem. I should be pulling myself up more. Otherwise, the majority of people are pulling me down. I’m doing great in business, but I’m not proud of my health. I want Aaron Dowd levels of health. He’s probably looking up to people doing even better than him, which is why he is where he is. For me and Matt, Aaron is doing way better in the health department.
  • 23:48 That goes to show you that Matt and I don’t hang around people who prioritize health. We’re prioritizing business. The people who have a good handle on their health are listening to podcasts and following the people who talk about health. They’re prioritizing it. I don’t think it’s good or sustainable to have all three burners off.
  • 24:17 Matt: My family gets upset I don’t spend time with them. I tell them the reason I’ve committed my burners to 100% work is because you can get more done—you can cook quicker—if you allocate all the heat to this burner. I look at some of my friends who started when I started and I’m way ahead of them. I’m not trying to boast, because I feel like I’m behind. I surround myself with people who make $10 million a month. I feel like I’m a poor person because I’m barely hitting $1 million right now.
  • 25:14 Sean: You have to do that if you want to keep growing. You have to pull yourself up.
  • 25:19 Matt: I don’t plan on doing this forever. When I was young my dad told me that you have to make a choice to work hard now or you’ll have to work hard later. You have to pay the price sometime.
  • 25:39 Sean: You can do it now or you can spread it across your whole life and eventually you’ll pay for it later.
  • 25:46 Matt: He told me all this in the summertime when all my friends were hanging around and I was working at the snow cone stand. My dad asked if I wanted to hang out with my friends or work, learn about business, and earn some cash for my savings. Even as a young kid, I was thinking he was right. I sacrificed my summers and as I got older, I sacrificed more time. If you dedicate to 100% work, you get years worth of work done in one year. You make in one year what you would make five years down the road.
  • 27:05 Sean: I’m very aware of the sacrifices I’m making and the burners I’m turning off. I have the elasticity right now of being young. I know it gets harder and harder not to be active or to get less sleep as you get older. It becomes more and more difficult to avoid those things without clear and immediate ramifications. If you’re older and you don’t stay active or get good sleep, you’re out of commission. My approach is that if I focus on making money now, then when I’m in my 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s I can prioritize health.
  • 28:38 I recognize that’s irresponsible because you will only be in the future who you choose to be now. I tend to think I’ll push health off and prioritize it in the future and when I prioritize it then, because of all the efforts I’ve made in the past decade, I will actually get paid to go work out. If I do that, I’ll be healthy but I’ll be healthy and poor. I feel like if I spend this time right now focusing on health, I’ll be healthy but I’ll have to start on square one in business in the future.
  • 29:33 The philosophy of paying the price now makes me think I should build up the business machine to create residual flows of income to free me up to focus on health. I don’t want people to think we have it all figured out because we’re making a bunch of money. There are sides you don’t see that we’re giving up and maybe you don’t want to give those things up. Maybe we shouldn’t even be giving those things up, but I think the transparency is important.
  • 30:21 Matt: I’m getting a little bit of exercise because I go to job sites and do physical stuff there. That’s my excuse for not actually working out. I do enough physical stuff now that later, I can hire a personal trainer and nutritionist.
  • 31:05 Sean: I know that’s worked well for Gary Vaynerchuck. He doesn’t want to let other people so he’s made it to where if he doesn’t do this, he’s letting this person down and that works well.
  • 31:17 Matt: That’s how I am.

What Are Your Priorities?

  • 31:.6 Sean: What’s your hierarchy of the four burners? What are your priorities? How do you rank the importance of the burners in your mind? For me, the current reality is work and I don’t even know what order the others are in. Probably work, family, health, friends. I only say health before friends because I’ve been serious about sleep, going to bed early, and getting up early. I used to not drink enough water and now I have this bluetooth water bottle I backed on Kickstarter a year ago and it finally came.
  • 32:56 It has a sensor inside to tell you how much you drink. It sends you notifications on your phone, has goals, and tracks your water. Now I’m drinking a bunch of water because it’s a game I want to win now. Friends have been pretty eh lately. I think it should be health, work, family, friends, or health, family, friends work. A lot of people are probably thinking that I don’t get that family is supposed to be the most important. I get it and I understand your priorities. That’s why you have a great family. I’m happy for you and that’s a good thing.
  • 34:04 You probably have kids and you spend time with your significant other. You have great relationships, but what does your business look like? How much money are you making? You’re living paycheck to paycheck and your business isn’t making what you want to make. You don’t really workout. You have a gym membership but you don’t go, it just makes you feel better to pay for it because “someday you’ll go.” You’ve got great family relationships, but I guarantee the other things are falling by the wayside.
  • 34:59 Don’t judge anyone who has their burners in a different order than you. I care about my family and I want to spend time with my wife. If I’m going to spend time with my wife, I want it to be an enjoyable time. If it’s an enjoyable time, that means we’re not stressed. Why would we be stressed? We might be stressed because we don’t know if we can pay our bills or afford to go to this restaurant.
  • 35:23 We might be stressed because we can’t afford rent. I want to take care of my family first and then I can spend time with them. To take care of the family, I have to work on my business. Notice I haven’t talked about the friends burner. I don’t have a lot of friends. Those of you who have a lot of friends, it’s because you prioritize it.

If you prioritize something, you’re not prioritizing something else.

  • 36:11 There’s no balance, there is only sacrifice. There are things you’re doing and things you’re not doing. I’ve been doing the business thing, but I realize the elasticity of my 20s is fading. I’ll be 28 this year.
  • 36:33 Matt: I would like to be 40 right now, but I want to slow down in my 30s so I feel like my time is running out.
  • 36:52 Sean: To me, it doesn’t start until I’m 40. I was watching this guy on YouTube that just reached millions of views on his videos and he’s in his 50s. He started in 2006 when YouTube came out and he was 40-something. He’s had so much success started at 40! We’re so ahead! If you build a foundation from 20 to 40 and then it starts when you’re 40, you can build on that foundation. I’m excited to get older. I realize the elasticity of my 20s is going away so I’m going to have to prioritize my health to be able to do my work so I can provide for my family.
  • 37:40 As far as friends go, my personality might make it easier. Give me three to five super close friends and I’m good. I don’t care about having 30 surface level friends. I couldn’t care less about small talk. When you have surface level friends, all you have is small talk. Give me deep relationships. If I let the friend thing be the last burner, but I focus on my business, my family, and getting people on the same page who believe in me, those people become my friends.

Unless the people you’re friends with right now are on board, they’re not going to help you get where you want to go.

  • 38:48 And when you get there, they’re going to ostracize you. They don’t get it. They’re not on the same page. I want to get around people who get it. Matt and I do a podcast together, which is work, but he’s also my friend. Cory, what is your burner order and are you happy with it? I think it’s work, friends, family, health.
  • 39:45 Cory: It’s tough, the reality vs. what you think you’re going after. I think it’s work, family, friends, health. You were close. I’m big on family. There are times where work doesn’t go at the top. What I would like it to be is work, family, health, friends. It seems weird to put friends on the bottom.

What Do You Want Out of Life?

  • 40:42 Sean: What do you think about the whole concept and what do you think about this theory saying you have to cut off one of the burners to be successful, and you have to cut off two to be really successful? What do you want? How do you approach it? Do you do the seasonal thing, outsourcing, embracing constraints?
  • 41:06 Cory: I think I embrace constraints because I don’t really outsource and my seasons are more by days or weeks. I want to go more big picture with it. I want my work and career to do well. Since I’m a filmmaker, I feel like connections are a big part of that, but is that business partners and it doesn’t go under the friend category? It gets fuzzy.
  • 41:41 Sean: It depends on how you approach it. If you’re trying to make friends you can potentially work with, it’s friends.
  • 41:48 Matt: That’s tough because I have friends that I only talk about business with.
  • 42:01 Sean: We’re hanging out with friends tonight but it’s more something Laci schedules. It’s important to her, so for me it’s like a family thing. If we’re not hanging out with friends then she gets sad, so it’s me contributing to her. We have this regularly scheduled friends dinner and I enjoy it, but it’s not a priority for me. I make it a priority because it is for my wife and family is important.
  • 42:33 Matt: I agree. Shera, my wife, has similar things with family and friends she likes to do. It’s been raining a lot lately, which means things aren’t as busy for me so I can stop work at 5pm and spend a few hours with the family and they’re happy. We’ve gone to the movies, the zoo, and the beach and that’s been really good.
  • 43:43 Sean: Do you think you can be excellent in all four—health, work, family, and friends?
  • 43:54 Matt: No. When I was a kid, I made a choice to dedicate my life to success so that if there’s a need around me, I’ll be able to step in and help. My family always criticizes me because I don’t spend time with them and they say I don’t spend enough time with my wife or son. That’s not necessarily true. I’m a pretty private person. At family reunions, they criticize me and then pull me aside to ask for $5,000! I do what I do every day so that I can fork out $5,000 for people like them. I didn’t lend it to them because they didn’t need it, but if there’s an actual need, I do want to help. I make sure all my business partners like to give.
  • 45:58 Sean: It’s important not to criticize other people for how they prioritize their burners because it is not possible to do all of them. All four areas are important, that’s why I don’t think it’s a balance, it’s a sacrifice.

You have to give up something to be really great at another and everyone approaches it differently.

  • 46:24 We might approach business first because we see it as a way to provide for people, help our friends, or pay for a personal trainer. Other people see taking care of their family as super important so they’ll be on board with them starting their own business or getting up early to go for a run. Friends might give them the support they need to deal with difficult family situations, or they go into business together as partners.
  • 46:57 People approach everything in a different way. Don’t try to find balance, find fulfillment. I know people can juggle a lot, but for the sake of the argument, let’s say you can only juggle three balls. There’s a limit. You have to figure out what order fulfills you. You have to give something up, but what fulfills you? Do you want to not prioritize health? Do you want to not prioritize friends right now? Do you want to not prioritize work? Finding fulfillment in the season you’re in now doesn’t mean you’re saying no to other things forever.
  • 48:06 Matt: I believe what I’m doing is in seasons. Other people say that once you start something, you can’t stop. I’ve got certain systems in place to where I have to stop.
  • 48:24 Sean: Aaron asked, “If you prioritize money now, how much is enough? There’s always more money to make.” That’s true, but that’s where the seasons come in. You have to make a choice at some point. Set a deadline or set someone else to take over the business so you can get out.
  • 48:47 Matt: Maybe this isn’t for everyone. We’ve been talking about work being the first burner, but someone else might think something else should be the first burner. That’s fine, but ask yourself what you’re looking for out of life? What legacy do you want to leave behind? You have to stop and ask yourself that. Don’t look at what Sean and I are doing. What is it that will fulfill you? What is it you’re working toward? Is it your family, friends, or health?

People think it’s possible to balance work, health, family and friends, but you can only be mediocre in all of those areas.

  • 49:35 Sean: If you don’t believe me, look at the results. Assess your own life. How much money are you making in your business?
  • 49:56 Matt: How many of you are making a million a month?
  • 49:59 Sean: Some people thought you were going to say a year right now and thought, “Oh man, that’s a lot of money,” and then you say a month! The listeners are not making that because they’re balancing. I’m not saying it’s wrong, but you will only be mediocre. The time you spend maintaining deep relationships with you friends is time you’re not spending with your spouse, or family, and it’s time you’re not spending putting even more focus on your health.

You Could Always Do More

  • 50:44 If you wake up at 5am and run for an hour, you could always run for three hours. You could meal plan and start eating even healthier. You could get better sleep. You can always do better and that’s all time not spent on your business. Look at the results in your life. If the results are mediocre, then you know what I’m saying is true. If they’re not mediocre, that’s because you’re not actually balancing, you’re sacrificing.
  • 51:25 Matt: Every time my family gets together, it’s a competition of who’s doing better. They’ll throw profits and loss charts around. They’re whole argument is they’re not making as much but they’re enjoying more of life. You could totally have fun and travel a bunch, but you have to keep working in order to do that.
  • 52:11 Sean: There’s the seasons aspect of this. You can say no to the other things, focus on business, grow it, outsource it, automate it, and then you’re making money from it but not spending time on it. That’s time you can spend on the other things. I think the people disagreeing are in a place of contentment with the amount of money they’re making and the depth of their friendships. What they’re not seeing is the depth of their friendships could be better. The money they’re making each month, whether they’re spending time on it or not, could be more. I’m not saying you have to want that.
  • 52:56 You’re content with the depth in all of the areas. When you focus on all of them, the level of depth can only be shallow. The only exception to that is when you approach things in seasons and you leverage outsourcing throughout the seasons of your life. That would take a number of years and really good prioritizing, but in the time leading up to that, you have to sacrifice. It starts with sacrifice and then if you believe balance is possible, it’s only because you’re content with the depth in all four areas. Recognize they can all be deeper or better.

Don’t pursue balance, pursue fulfillment.

  • 53:44 Matt: It goes back to what you want out of life.
  • 53:50 Sean: If you’re happy in your situation, don’t argue with me. Don’t do anything different if you don’t want to. If you’ve found contentment and you’re happy, that’s my point because I said to choose fulfillment.
  • 54:05 Matt: If we ever talk about vacations or buying another property in front of my employees, Shera always cringes when they say, “Oh, must be nice.” You have no idea what I have to go through. You have to make a choice. If that’s what you want, that’s what you’re going to get. I’ve offered my employees positions to take over part of the business and give them commission on some of the contracts, but they want to have fun on the weekends. That’s a decision you’re getting to make and that’s fine. Not everyone has to be part of the 1%.
  • 55:15 Sean: In the chat, Cory Miller said, “This subject is strange to me because we’ve also talked about the subjectivity of success. One person’s mediocre might be someone else’s success. $120,000 might be mediocre to you, but it might be a huge success to someone else.” Exactly! That’s what we’re saying. It’s about your definition of fulfillment. You can get things to a level you’re happy with. All we’re saying is the areas you water and give your attention to will flourish. If you believe you have a balance, that means you’ve reached a place of fulfillment, where you’re content with the depth in all the areas. That’s a good thing! We’re not saying contentment is bad. The point of this is saying:

If you want to see great results in any area, you have to focus your efforts and time there.

  • 56:13 If $120,000 is great for you and that’s what you’re making, you don’t have to allocate any more time there. If you’re content with that, it’s fine, but if you want more, it’s not good enough, or you live in an area of the world where that’s not going to sustain the life you want to have, you have to allocate more time to it. If you want to see better results, relationships, or more health, you have to allocate more time to it.
  • 56:43 There’s a lot of people who disagree with us and that’s ok. The point of this episode is to get you thinking. If you’re upset, then it’s good because it means you’re actually thinking about this. Understand the point of these episodes isn’t to get you to agree with us. The point is to get you thinking.
  • 57:14 If you have good ideas or you think we’re wrong and you think you’ve got it right—you know what happiness and fulfillment is—that’s awesome. I’m willing to be the person you disagree with if I’m able to challenge the way you think and help you see a break through. Maybe you’ve disagreed with everything I’ve said in this episode, but I’ve also caused you to be more deeply rooted in the things you believe.
  • 57:48 Matt: Stay open minded. We’re telling you this because it worked for us. What works for us isn’t going to work for everyone. I wouldn’t wish what I have to go through on others. The bigger you grow, the more stress you’re going to face on a day-to-day basis. You have to be willing to accept that.
  • 58:30 Sean: Understand that this was a conversation about a theory. I wanted to get people thinking, I’m not even saying the theory is sound. Part of the problem with this theory is that it omits self-time. We could call that health or mental health. Before I can be a good friend or family member, I need recharge time for myself. That’s time not spent exercising or running my business. I’m not even saying the theory is perfect. I thought it was interesting and thought provoking. I hope we gave people something to think about. It helped me think about how I’m spending my time, what my priorities are, and the sacrifices I’m making.
  • 59:50 Cory: Now I’m going to go home and audit what I’m doing. If I’m prioritizing something, I’m not doing something else, and is this really what I want?
  • 1:00:14 Matt: That’s the whole point of this. It’s not about your allocation of the burners, it’s about making you think about what burners need to go off right now. I like the theory.