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Dan and Ben are back once more while Sean is in Hawaii! Hear about his epic hike in 444: The Hike of a Lifetime: Kalalau Trail. Sean returns to the podcast next week.

In Overlap, Sean talks about defining your “New Zero”: figure out how much money you’d need to cover all your expenses for six months. Until you have that much money in the bank, think of your account balance as being in the negative.

But what if your balance already is in the negative? What if you’re already in debt?

The first thing you need to do is get rid of that debt. But how can you? One way or the other the debt built up, and it’s not like you stop needing to spend money…

Debt is a trap, and it’s one that, for all our best intentions, we’ve fallen into more than once. By sharing how we defeated debt—and the scarcity mindset that walks hand-in-hand with it—hopefully we can help you do the same.

Links & Resources Mentioned

• Online Tool: Budget Tracker & Planner | Free Online Money Management | Mint
• Article: How to Get Out of Debt With the Debt Snowball Plan | DaveRamsey.com
• Article: Example contrasting the “Debt Snowball” approach with the “Highest Interest First” approach: Debt Snowball vs. The High Interest Approach – The Simple Dollar
• Article: The Psychology of Money · Collaborative Fund

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    This is an important idea. In the context of our show, it helps explain why young people are still heavily encouraged to go to college despite the massive debt often required to do so… and the uncertainty of lucrative employment as a result.