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The Sixth Sense is a movie, right?

Well, yes, but this chapter far predates the 1999 M. Night Shyamalan film by the same name.

The book uses the term “sixth sense” to refer to “creative imagination”, “hunches”, or “inspiration”.

“The SIXTH SENSE is that portion of the subconscious mind which has been referred to as the Creative Imagination.”

“I find my mind most receptive to ideas, thoughts, and knowledge which reach me through the sixth sense.”

“[…] self-suggestion is a powerful factor in building character, that it is, in fact, the sole principle through which character is built.”

According to Think and Grow Rich, the sixth sense, “is a mixture of both the mental and the spiritual.”

“Step by step, through the preceding chapters, you have been led to this, the last principle. If you have mastered each of the preceding principles, you are now prepared to accept, without being skeptical, the stupendous claims made here. If you have not mastered the other principles, you must do so before you may determine, definitely, whether or not the claims made in this chapter are fact or fiction.”

The author shares his nightly routine of imagining a group of men seated with him around a table, which he called his Invisible Council. While he makes a point to state emphatically he still regards his meetings as purely imaginary, he stresses these visualizations were instrumental:

“My original purpose in conducting Council meetings with imaginary beings, was solely that of impressing my own subconscious mind, through the principle of auto-suggestion, with certain characteristics which I desired to acquire.”

We’re going to talk about this “sixth sense” and the idea of an Invisible Council.

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Sean: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Sean and Ryan Show. We are going through the book Think and Grow Rich and we run chapter 14 today. This is the sixth sense. So the book is actually a review of an M Night Shyamalan movie called The Sixth Sense 1999 with milk. No Ryan, is that not it? 

Ryan: [00:00:21] I’m not 

Sean: [00:00:24] okay. I my bad this chapter far predates.

The 1999 film by the same name. 

Ryan: [00:00:31] And yet this guy was still speaking to dead people. 

Sean: [00:00:35] Well, okay. Alright. Alright too soon spoilers. No would just Jump Right In. 

Ryan: [00:00:40] goodness. 

Sean: [00:00:44] All right. Tell me what you mean by that Ryan 

Ryan: [00:00:46] Well if you if you read the book. Because you’re supposed to be reading the book, right?

You’re not just watching the podcast you would know exactly what I’m talking about. So if you don’t know what I’m talking about, then go read the book. 

Sean: [00:00:58] All right, good podcast. 99% 

Ryan: [00:01:00] Yeah, excellent. 

Sean: [00:01:02] of people stop listening so. I 

Ryan: [00:01:06] ouch, okay, so. Do we do you want to start with lower? Do you want to start here?


Sean: [00:01:13] don’t know you started 

Ryan: [00:01:14] into invisible 

Sean: [00:01:15] also talking to dead people. So I think you’ve got to make 

Ryan: [00:01:18] that now. I got a big can of worms. Okay. So what the author describes is the invisible counselors idea so every night for about 30 minutes or so, he would invite eight or nine people mentally and his head even imagine they were there and it was for the sole practice originally to build his character.

So if he wanted to develop persistence or you know creative abilities or Etc he would goes on and list a whole bunch of them. He would say for instance. Mr. Edison Thomas Edison I desire from you to harness the appeal, you know, and he would just go on this whole Spiel but he would have liked a little paragraph and he would stay a characteristic that he desired to embody.

So either a contemporary of his or maybe it was even Napoleon Bonaparte. He would ask these people. Basically just to give them the characteristic that they possessed. So when I said that he’s speaking to dead people. I mean he kind of was basically but only because and he was careful to note this he the author he made he made it sure that he studied their lives in painstaking detail.

So that he knew their mannerisms to the best that he could he knew their characteristics he knew as best as he could kind of how they thought how that what their mannerisms how they approached ideas. And so he was able to kind of build together and idea of who Napoleon might have been and in that way he’s able to you know, speak to him and say I want this characteristic back that’s kind of how it 

Sean: [00:02:42] And the author stresses like hey, I know this is purely imaginary.

I’m not actually talking. Into these people, but I’m visualizing this invisible Council seated around a table with me of these people that I have studied and I imagine talking to them. I imagine them talking to each other. And so this is this is just a nightly routine that he did and why is the chapter called Sixth Sense?

Well, the book uses six sense to refer to like. Creative imagination hunches inspiration. It says the Sixth Sense is that portion of the subconscious mind which has been referred to as the creative imagination and he goes on to say I find my mind most receptive to ideas thoughts and knowledge, which reach me through the sixth sense.

So the way I read that is like kind of subconsciously. Not so much like oh I saw this. I read it in a book. I learned it. I heard someone say it but more like subconsciously kind of going back to the earlier chapter on autosuggestion. So he’s saying this from the book self-suggestion is a powerful factor in building character that it is.

In fact the soul principle through which character is built. So these invisible Council Council sessions are kind of a way of reinforcing like suggest autosuggestion like feeding things to his subconscious mind. 

Ryan: [00:04:20] One thing that stood out to me this I mean, this is my fourth or so passed through.

Read this chapter probably a couple more times though than just reading the book all together. So maybe probably five six seven times now. I never noticed it and this is it really stood out to me. So he said that he felt like the Sixth Sense operated most freely when he had these invisible counselor sessions.

Did you do you remember saying that? 

Sean: [00:04:44] That sounds familiar. 

Ryan: [00:04:46] and I was like. Interesting because I’ve always kind of like, you know, he talks about creative imagination. He talks about, you know, he’s like you can’t just put turn it off and on it will he’s like you got to develop it. It’s like a muscle 

Sean: [00:04:55] Because if he’s if he’s visualizing an invisible Council, that’s not exactly the the five senses.

It’s not like he’s smelling it or tasting it or hearing it or seeing it. He’s visualizing. 

Ryan: [00:05:10] It’s another part of your brain I suppose but I suppose that. This is interesting. I think it’s the idea of exercising and using your imagination with basically exercises. If you will to basically get it to perhaps work on its own.

I don’t know if that makes any sense. They’ll make doesn’t make sense. 

Sean: [00:05:32] A talking about like it’s kind of working out the muscle of. 

Ryan: [00:05:39] Have imagination really. 

Sean: [00:05:42] Yeah, okay, 

Ryan: [00:05:43] at its core. 

Sean: [00:05:44] okay. 

Ryan: [00:05:46] And so I wonder if just hit I just like from a scientific perspective. Maybe I wonder if just the idea of.

Imagining another person imagining it. They’re speaking to you trying to visualize a room trying to visualize their mannerisms because he got really into depth with it. He was like, I imagine this guy was, you know, like walking around the room. This guy had a habit of showing up late and I’m like, well my guys got an imagination here.

He went really end up with it and actually to the point where he said I know it’s fake but he actually stopped it for what after six months or for six months something along those lines because 

Sean: [00:06:15] it was 

Ryan: [00:06:15] became so real and his mind that he’s like I gotta. I got to put a pause on this because like I said he’s imagining some people that are you know they have passed away but also his contemporaries as well like people that he knew personally so it gets to the point where it’s like wait a second did we talk about this or was that just me so you know.

Sean: [00:06:35] So that does that kind of strike you weird where he’s. I don’t know if he actually goes so far as unless I missed it to Advocate this practice or if he’s just describing his own practice and saying this is what I did. Do you remember does he actually suggest it? 

Ryan: [00:06:55] I think he’s advocating it and I was just I mean just the fact that he made a whole chapter about.

I think he’s advocating it. I 

Sean: [00:07:01] here’s what I’m 

Ryan: [00:07:02] he said when creative imagination flows during this process. He’s advocating it like he’s saying it 

Sean: [00:07:06] Here’s what I’m trying to figure out that if he is advocating it, isn’t it a little bit odd to you that he describes that at one point. It got so vivid he kind of got concerned that he wasn’t even sure like whether he actually had the conversations or he imagined them and so he stopped doing it doesn’t it almost seemed like strange to recommend it when he’s also saying I had this concern.

Ryan: [00:07:32] If you stopped right there, it would be strange. But if you go to the end of the story the end of the chapter, he says he will is actually he says I don’t know where there’s a dream or not. Probably a dream, but he said he remembers seeing Abraham Lincoln basically in the middle of the night. He you know looks up to probably dream but and he’s standing next to him at the bedside and he says, you know, basically you’ve got to.

You know put out your work and you’ve got to start the invisible counselor sessions again, like because it was helpful and people need this and so the very next day he started to put it into practice again and started reaping more benefits from it, and he actually so this was interesting. He started the sessions just to build up his character and to kind of change him from the inside out.

What was interesting though. Is that the process kind of evolved into. He would use this idea to of the invisible invisible counselors to solve a great many variety of personal problems. Even he doesn’t go into detail. But he says even at one point when his life was at stake or in danger. He used this principle and he was able to get out of it.

So he didn’t go into detail about it. It’s interesting. But he basically went from character-building to I need a solution and I need it now whether it’s for him or for a client or whatever his life. And so it kind of evolved in that way. So I think that I think that he is advocating for it because like I said, he made a chapter about it.

He’s telling us about it the creative imagination flows freely. He says when he operated in it and then even though he did stop for a time he went back to it reaped more benefits and results form from it and it turned into something else even more than what it was originally that makes. 

Sean: [00:09:06] Yeah, I think it does.

So he’s he’s saying in opening this chapter that well, this is the last principle. So this is the the Apex he says step-by-step through the preceding chapters. You’ve been led to this the last principle. If you’ve mastered each of the preceding ones, you’re now prepared to accept without being skeptical the stupendous claims-made here.

If you’ve not mastered the other principles you must do so before you may determine definitely whether or not the claims made in this chapter are fact or fiction. What do you make of that? 

Ryan: [00:09:44] I think kind of my general theme around this whole book and even in this podcast that we’ve talked about is at the very least just experiment, you know, if something comes of it and it’s good then awesome.

If nothing comes of it then you say okay and then you move on like I’m very binary in that way like it’s either effective and it works and there’s something to it and you’re seeing results in benefits or if it adds nothing of value to your life then okay then. Feel free to move on I can say personally and well, this is the interesting part.

This is where I’m still may be a little skeptical. So we talked about this on I kind of alluded to it or told you the story about it last week as a precursor to this to this chapter, but he says the Sixth Sense is basically it’s a he says it’s basically a tool that will warn you of an impending dangers and highlight opportunity for you essentially, right?

And then I told the story on the last podcast about how the very same night that I first read this chapter. I’m driving home and you know, I get this idea in my head. I’m like, you’ve got to pay attention to the roads. There’s going to be something dangerous on the road. That’s I don’t know. Why have the thought but it just popped up in my head five seconds later sure enough.

There’s literally a big metal lawn chair in the middle of the highway at night around an S band curve and if I wasn’t thinking about it, who knows if I was on autopilot, I might have hit it but I was hyper aware hyper-alert and I just remember going like. Mural just like right around it. Just ready for it.

I can’t explain it. It’s really bizarre. 

Sean: [00:11:10] I’ve got next to my notes here from the book human beings do receive accurate knowledge through sources other than the physical senses. And it’s like that’s so weird. I don’t 

Ryan: [00:11:21] It’s wonky though. 

Sean: [00:11:21] I don’t know what to make of it. But it but it’s also like I feel like I’ve experienced it at times but do I go off of that?

Do I just notice the times where it’s accurate and ignore the times where it’s not. 

Ryan: [00:11:33] Well, here’s the thing. Like I said, I don’t think that I need to give my full endorsement and say this is the gospel truth. However, it’s like again, I don’t think that there’s anything well, I mean you can argue maybe but I don’t think there’s really that much to be lose by just experimenting with it, you know.

Sean: [00:11:48] To be lost. 

Ryan: [00:11:50] To be wait. So 

Sean: [00:11:52] You said lose? 

Ryan: [00:11:54] Oh 

Sean: [00:11:55] You know, I Honestly though like you you could argue that this is. The it’s confirmation bias, but I have feel like I have a pretty accurate memory and I don’t really feel like I get hunches often like like I don’t have a strong sense of knowing often and so it’s not like there are many many many false instances like where I feel really strongly that there’s danger or you know that.

Right, but when I have it seems like most of the time there’s something to it. I don’t know 

Ryan: [00:12:42] Do you have any examples or you just going to leave it ominous?

Classic Napoleon Hill, my life was in danger and I got away, but I’m not going to tell you the details. It just worked. Believe me. It’s alright not to talk about it. You don’t want to. 

Sean: [00:12:59] Yeah, I don’t think I have any like. good examples, I mean like certain instances pop into my mind, but I don’t know if it’s like a good example, so.

Ryan: [00:13:10] So here’s the thing. I mean, that’s the only example that I can give you where I was like, I knew that there was going to be danger. Like I don’t ever get hunches that my life’s in danger. I really just don’t. That’s the one thing that I can tell you in my life positive or false so that I’m just like boom.

I need to know this like it was so strong and it was the one night that I just got done reading this book and I kind of was like, okay, maybe there’s something to this philosophy at cetera. I don’t know what to make of it. It’s only one time thing. But like you said, it’s like it’s not like it’s something that happens all the time and I’m just having this confirmation bias because I’ve never experienced anything like that.

It’s just weird so I can’t say that. I’ve also been. You know that I’ve had any instances where opportunity was highlighted to me because of The Sixth Sense. I’ve had no experience with that whatsoever. So it’s like part of me is only just partially curious to say maybe there is something to be experienced like that that and maybe it’s just my creative imagination functioning and you’re exercising your imagination and it works better and you’re really just getting ideas from your own head.

I think that’s quite most likely possible. So I’m just interested in the in the practicality of it all, 

Sean: [00:14:13] he says the Sixth Sense is not something that one can take off and put on at will. Ability to use this great power comes slowly through the application through application of the other principles outlined in this book.

So it’s like he’s saying if you do the other things we talked about before then you develop it. Says the Sixth Sense is a subject that would be of great interest in benefit to the person whose aim is to accumulate vast wealth, but it need not claimed the attention of those whose desires are more modest.

Ryan: [00:14:44] Now this is interesting though. That’s interesting by itself. But then also later in the chapter. He says basically if you want to just disregard 6/10, you know the whole idea of it. He’s like if it’s too weird for you. He’s like that’s fine. You can still accumulate riches without it. So it’s kind of like.

Sean: [00:15:01] Seems contradictory. 

Ryan: [00:15:02] does but I think what he’s saying is that if you don’t use this principle, you will still achieve your goals. You will still experience success. You have enough of a formula. I think what he’s only positing here is that this is just going to either amplify it or serve as a catalyst to make it happen faster greater.

I don’t 

Sean: [00:15:21] because he does have the caveat of like hey study the other principles first before you decide whether the claims made in this chapter are fact or fiction. So he’s saying go back or if you haven’t liked some people they’re just listening this episode randomly. They haven’t gone through the book.

They haven’t listened to the other chapters or anything go back through the preceding principles. This is the final one the Apex and then decide so he’s saying first do that and then decide if it’s fact or fiction, but he’s also saying,

ability. Ability to use this great power comes slowly through the application of the other principles outlined in this book. So it’s like you would have according to him you’d have to do the other ones first before you even could yeah. 

Ryan: [00:16:13] classic salesman. I really want you to try all these other principles so eat before you can even judge this chapter.

You have to be a master of all the other 

Sean: [00:16:23] But you know, it’s not like it’s not like he is. There’s no there’s no base to it. Like because he’s saying also more often than knowledge is not available until one is well past 50. And for this reason and this for the reason that the spiritual forces sorry spiritual forces with which the Sixth Sense is so closely related.

Do not mature and become usable except through years of meditation self-examination and serious thought. So it’s kind of like he’s saying you have to develop this intentionally over time as a practice by meditating self-examination serious thought and through the use of the other principles. And so it’s it’s he says seldom.

it happens in Dino comes into workable knowledge before the age of 40. Because the amount of time presumably that you’d have to invest in meditation self-examination serious thought would be such that you you’re going to be 40 or 50. 

Ryan: [00:17:35] And I also wonder if there’s a little bit of a tie into his thinking of that because earlier in the chapter on sex transmutation he talks about.

Usually men don’t really come into like their greatest potential or like, you know, they don’t really fire on all cylinders if you will until what 40s or 50s as well. He kind of says it in there. So if I wonder if he’s kind of making a little bit of a tie in there, but it’s just a side thought there’s well.

Sean: [00:18:00] Interesting longer comment from Dan in the chat. Did you see this? 

Ryan: [00:18:04] I have not read it yet. 

Sean: [00:18:07] Is this might be for after the show, but I want to kind of see what comes to this he says but hearing all the qualifications in this and the last couple chapters made me think I had a thought in the shower this morning in order to be really good at something.

You have to get really into it like way more into it than other people if you want to write a book you need to be way more into writing than everyone else if you want to look really good. You need to be way more into how you dress and groom yourself than most people. You need to be into it to the extent that one other people think it’s weird to more importantly or more truthfully.

You worried that other people think it’s weird. Well holds me back and perhaps you too. Is that second part the little jury you’ve set up in your mind to judge your actions, but the reality is people love the outcome. Maybe people do think the things you do to achieve greatness are weird, but they think it’s wonderful that you wrote a book they feel uplifted.

By how much care you put into your appearance Think and Grow Rich is a good example of all of this all the little qualifiers that both the author and we reading it feel we have to make oh well, just trust me. I know this seems weird, but look, there’s a rational explanation. Maybe those qualifiers and explanations are less important than developing a willingness to be unusual and try unusual things.

Ryan: [00:19:28] What’s good observation? 

Sean: [00:19:29] I like that. Open-minded. 

Ryan: [00:19:32] one thing that Laura just highlighted to and I like this a lot to one of the blessings of maturity is that it sometimes brings one greater courage to be truthful regardless of what those who do not understand may think or say. And I think that’s kind of just like the old man doesn’t give a you know, it’s just like, you know at a certain point you’re just like I’m me I’m owning it and like you got because he actually said in the chapter.

He’s like 

Sean: [00:19:52] Oh, he said I admit like I didn’t even really want to talk about this stuff. But like basically these aren’t his words, but like basically I’m old and I don’t care what people think anymore. 

Ryan: [00:20:03] exactly. Yeah, and I got to say though like okay, so he calls it the sixth sense but like more so than the Sixth Sense what I really and it’s the bulk of the chapter really what I really took away from this is the the absolute value of the invisible counselors.

Now Sean, I’m just going to ask you have you experimented with this at all, the the concept of invisible counselors holding a session doing all of that anything like that ever. 

Sean: [00:20:27] I did this before I read this book without knowing that that’s exactly what I was doing. But like 

Ryan: [00:20:34] okay. 

Sean: [00:20:35] yeah, like like I

It’s it’s very similar. So like now it’s kind of a snap to grid thing where it’s like a I would describe it as like holding an invisible Council, right? But really what I was doing is just imagining what my mentors would tell me in a given situation. And I would combine all of them. So like one person’s Viewpoint like it could be like Gary vaynerchuk or John Maxwell or David Goggins or Grant Cardone.

Like I’m pulling from all of these people that you know, and it’s not like I pull everything from everyone, you know some things I’m like, That’s not exactly how I would do things but you’re really wise in this one area. Right? So I would take all of that and kind of create this multifaceted advice and try to internalize that.

Ryan: [00:21:40] Do you have any like specific examples about how it helped you or Etc?

Sean: [00:21:50] well, I mean, I would have to say. It was exactly like if I was in a room paying for, you know, $100,000 coaching session and them telling me what to do. Like if it felt it felt almost like that and just as valuable. 

Ryan: [00:22:09] I’m saying like was there a specific scenario that you could describe like I got this piece of advice put it in a practice this happened or just 

Sean: [00:22:16] I I can’t think of something off the top of my head but when I’m trying to get to is.

The advice that I took away in the action that I did was completely different from what I would have just done on my own. 

Ryan: [00:22:29] Absolutely, so but I mean, yeah tremendously valuable. 

Sean: [00:22:35] Yeah, so like I’ve said this before the biggest mistakes I’ve made in my career and it’s funny because like I hear from people all the time they say like, you know, people have claimed that I don’t talk about.

What I’ve done wrong or what I messed up and I’m like, I really do all the time. Like 

Ryan: [00:22:54] You 

Sean: [00:22:55] just put such a positive spin on what I’ve learned from it. You probably miss it because I’m not wallowing in the despair of my failures because I just don’t think in terms of failures. Like I just don’t call things failures like you might that’s fine.

But like if something failed as you might describe it. I just learned from it. So I just don’t think in those terms which which probably comes across and why people miss that I talk about my failures but like there’s an episode I did on what I wish I knew before I hired a team and I’ve talked about like overworking and I’ve you know full pendulum swing to like being an ambassador for Sim sabbaticals.

So like. I’ve made a lot of mistakes, but what I’ve noticed is the biggest mistakes I’ve made in my career where you know, I’m not a reckless person at all. I’m extremely studious. I’m extremely diligent and dedicated and I try and be smart, but they came from applying what I thought was the right advice at the wrong time.

So I’m I’m learning. I’m accumulating knowledge and when it comes time to make a decision, I just. I just did kind of what I heard generally like articles and random podcasts and things like that. Right and maybe it was the right advice but it was for a different person or maybe me but in a different time a different scenario.

I applied at the wrong time and so often we don’t consider the context. We don’t consider the person’s context that were giving advice to. We’re not thinking about where they are and who they are and what their situation is. Like, we’re just blindly giving advice to our past selves and ignoring whether or not we were in the same exact situation.


Ryan: [00:24:49] Yeah. 

Sean: [00:24:50] that’s what I that’s what I used to do. I still do that. Honestly. I’m just aware of it. And so I’m a little more cautious about applying the right advice because I consider the time in the. But now like shifting more towards like let’s just call it invisible Council. I try and take a lot of factors into consideration and context into consideration and by limiting like I think this is really great advice from Grant Cardone.

He says have like two maybe three mentors tops. That’s it. And because otherwise it makes a lot of sense. Otherwise, you’re just going to get conflicting advice and I used to not exactly understand that but now I realize it like basically all advice is right. Like whatever advice someone get just go with me go with 

Ryan: [00:25:48] Okay, okay.

Sean: [00:25:51] Let’s say all well-meaning advice is right because. It’s about context the advice. Someone gives you that sounds completely ridiculous and insane they’re giving to you because they’re thinking about their past self and whatever it was about their scenario. That would have helped them then 

Ryan: [00:26:11] That’s Faria.

Sean: [00:26:12] but if you think about any advice the opposite of that advice is also true in a different context. 

Ryan: [00:26:22] Okay, yeah. 

Sean: [00:26:23] So that’s that’s the interesting part. So if you if you consider if you just take this idea that the opposite of any advice you receive is also true in a different context and now make starts to make more sense that you have really smart people giving conflicting advice and still like, you know, they’re they’re really smart and a lot of people respect them and some people go this way and other people go that way.

I used to just think like. You know, some people were clueless or they were wrong and I didn’t I didn’t understand context until I got burned by applying the right thing at the wrong time. And so Grant cardones advice of limiting your mentors makes sense because it minimizes the confusion the more that you the more the greater the number of.

Mentors The increased likelihood that you’re going to get conflicting advice, which is confusing like it would be better to apply fewer mentors contextual advice. And then maybe you you shed that Mentor when you go to the next level and you acquire a new one. So what are your thoughts on that? 

Ryan: [00:27:30] I was just thinking in that context though.

If Grant says to have a couple of mentors right then you could say but you just said the opposite of the vice is always true. So you could also say that having a lot of mentors is also the right play as well right 

Sean: [00:27:43] I would say yes, I would say yes, but but context exactly so like if you’re just a stuck person and you haven’t even started.

You don’t need to be following 300 people. And liking their quote graphics and taking their advice and watching their YouTube videos and listening to their podcast all while you do nothing. You haven’t even started you haven’t started your business. You haven’t written your book. You don’t need to go follow more authors.

You don’t need to go follow more entrepreneurs and sign up to their newsletters and by their courses like. You need to do something. So go follow garyvee unfollow everyone follow one person. Follow Gary Vee and he will convince you to start to do something to stop overthinking right and and then you actually start you get the ball rolling now you can apply strategy to action.

You start with strategy you remain stuck. You don’t go anywhere. You just spin around in your office chair 360° like the perfect Direction when I start it’s going to be the perfect Direction. You’re just sitting there. You know, you’re not going anywhere context though, right? Okay, you’ve gone you’ve started to build your business.

You’ve written your book. You’ve written your 12th book. Okay now it might be time to. Get a little more creative get a little more strategic you might want to diversify your inspiration increase your number of mentors and coaches and like okay what have other people done and you’re just you’re learning you’re keeping an open mind.

So yeah, it’s context right? I think I think the opposite of advice is true in a different context. 

Ryan: [00:29:29] Follow-up question on the one that opened up that I that whole idea is have you ever experimented with the idea of invisible counselors? Not necessarily giving you advice but just demanding to embody a characteristic of there’s ever tried anything like that 

Sean: [00:29:45] I don’t I don’t do it like he does in the book.

But then again, I also wonder if he actually does it the way he does it in the book because here’s the thing if I have an idea. That I want to convey like this is a thing that I do. I may do it in a very nebulous way that’s intuitive and almost subconscious and not very concrete, but I just kind of do it automatically and that’s very hard to put into words and it’s very hard to make it memorable and help it make sense to people.

So if you’re writing a book. That’s not going to work. You need to make something extremely clear maybe use an analogy or a story or a metaphor or just like break it down into something much more simple. Like if you’re describing how to I don’t need to bring in another example. We have one right here and the book.

He’s like, mr. Edison, I desire your what is he say you’re. 

Ryan: [00:30:44] a whole 

Sean: [00:30:45] yeah, so there’s a bunch right but like I desire your trait of whatever, okay. Does he does he really say those words in that way? But but hang on hang on. Let me get the whole thought out and then you can look at it and reply to it.

Ryan: [00:31:00] Yeah. 

Sean: [00:31:00] Does he really say it in that way so formally mr. Edison, I desire this trait and not that there’s anything wrong with I think that’s great, but my point being. He could be describing it that way because it’s so vivid and visual for us to imagine. And internalized and learn from him. So I don’t actually do it the way that he’s describing it or I should say.

I haven’t done it the way that he’s describing it where it’s like mister vaynerchuk I desire your tray of whatever right? But I but I have done something like that like and it’s more subconscious. It’s not like I’m speaking the words. It’s not like I’m. Asking it. It’s like I’m trying to embody it.

I’m trying to put it on if that makes sense. Like like I’m going to act like Gary vaynerchuk in the sense of being extremely efficient with my time and getting more done in a day. I’m Gonna Act Like John Maxwell by 

Ryan: [00:32:11] these are thoughts you’re 

Sean: [00:32:12] yes exactly. Like like I’m like meditating on it, right?

Like I’m trying to embody a characteristic. I’m not exactly conversing right this is stuff that I did before the book, but I’m I’m meditating on it. Right, like I’m trying so I do it with David Goggins, you know, like he’s just out there like he hates running and he’s running every day. Like I know right now he’s running out there, you know, like you just know like he’s out there.

He’s like I’m going to be the hardest, you know this and that like like I’m working. I know I’m working harder than everyone out there, you know, and so I know he’s out there. I know he’s going at it today. I know he’s not phoning it in today. I know he’s not just sleeping in lounging around eating chocolates.

Like I know that he’s hitting the gym he’s doing the push-ups. He’s doing the work right? And so when I run a marathon I’m going to do a half next month, but when I run a marathon when I run an ultramarathon, I don’t I don’t think it’s anything. I think it’s nothing because I’m comparing two. Him, I’m comparing to I’m thinking about his forty percent rule which is when you’ve given everything you’ve got when you’ve gone until you’ve got nothing else.

You’ve given 40 percent. That that is incredible and if you if you’re like what I don’t know about this you haven’t read his book. His book is you can’t hurt me. It’s a life-changing book, you know, you won’t be the same after you hear David goggin story, like nothing nothing compares to that.

You’ll realize wow. I thought I’ve worked hard. I thought I’ve been exhausted. I don’t know anything and and I I can buy into this 40 percent rule after hearing the story. And so I realized like as hard as it’s going to be to do whatever. When I think I’ve given everything, I’ve only given 40 percent.

So in that sense, like I am body that spirit that trait that.

Ryan: [00:34:21] Give me I was looking up the how he described it in the beginning because when we were talking about I was like how did he actually say that this is what he did or what you should do or how he started out remember he said that in the beginning. He said with this knowledge of the principles of Mind operation.

I was fairly I can skip over that in these imaginary Council meetings. I called on my cabinet members for the knowledge. I wished each to contribute addressing myself to each member inaudible inaudible words as follows. So he says Mr. Emerson a desire, so. I think it’s quite likely this is just my opinion on it and I might be reading into it.

I think it’s likely that he started it out that way actually like it was a little bit clunky a little bit just like you’re not clunky but just like rigid and like just bump it up a dump and formulaic and then I think that you know, as time went on his imaginations got more Vivid and you know, he was imagining people walking around the rooms or you know, they had all conversations between themselves and amongst themselves.

I think that’s probably what happened and I also wonder I think. I will I just wonder I don’t I don’t think necessarily I wonder is there any benefit to speaking it out loud audibly as opposed to just thinking it in your head. I think that there could be something to that as well because you’re speaking it and you’re hearing it back as opposed to just keeping in your head.

I feel like that could be more powerful. But if I can real quick when I first read this this chapter, it was the same night. That I had the experience with the object on the road and I swerved around it. I got back home and I was like hmm. I’m curious to try this out. And I’ve told you this story Shawn before so you might be might be just turning out for a second.

But for the sake of the podcast I went home and I held an invisible counselors meeting with only 3 people in my mind and. I was wanting to embody just hustle energy, you know, like waking up with like a let’s go attitude. I was specifically one that I focused on was I said, I really want to embody the energy or the emotion or the idea of Charisma just being a gravitational force in the room literally to the point where if I walk in a room people are thinking oh, wow, somebody just like he just stepped into the room.

Does that make sense? I don’t know if it’s a physical thing or however spiritual but like. 

Sean: [00:36:41] And this relates by the way, I think we might have mentioned in a past show, but it relates to an episode we’ve done. On the shamas podcast episode 416 about the alter ego effect with Todd Herman. It’s episode 4 16 and it’s a lot of this and I talked with Todd the author of the book and I you know, that book helped me realize a lot of the things that I did.

Without realizing it. And then that that episodes really good, but also the book itself the alter ego effect helped me do that more purposefully. Like there’s you know, he talks about like putting on this like, you know our of Charisma, right and you you essentially like embody this what do you call it?

Well, it’s an alter ego. You know, it’s an alter ego and he talks about like using a token to activate it, which I think I’ve talked to you about like like when you put on the suit those listening to the audio version of the podcast, they don’t see but every episode of the show Ryan’s worn a suit.

You can go to 452 you can see him on video. He’s wearing a suit but that that is like an activator for you, you know, like without even realizing it like when you put on the suit. It helps you get into that frame of mind. 

Ryan: [00:38:00] Although to push back a little bit on that. I want it to be outside of a token.

Does that make sense like regardless of. 

Sean: [00:38:07] Of course yet. Yes, but but and you should just listen to the episode or read the book because it’ll help but like it’s only going to it’s only going to make it. Stronger Faster taste to slip into like less of a transition and more effective. But yeah, you don’t have to use a token.

It can be like it doesn’t have to be a physical thing, you know, you could visualize you know, he talks about, you know, I’m just going to leave it. I’m going to leave it to that that I’ve said for 16 so we don’t go on a ravager. 

Ryan: [00:38:47] So I got done with the invisible counselor session. But yeah, one thing that I really focused in on was just high levels of energy and then specifically specifically Charisma.

And so the interesting part was I went to work the next day now just for context. I really hated my job. Like I have fun with the people that I work with but like I didn’t enjoy going to work I wake up I wasn’t excited and I was always tired. I was burnt out on call 24/7. So that’s kind of the context of.

But I went to work the very next day and I’ve been working there for series of probably three years at the time a before and so, you know, you get to know the people really well, obviously I get down to work. I sit at my desk and I’m just doing my thing for like maybe two minutes and my boss is over there in the corner.

You were kind of in the bullpen open office area and he’s kind of just going like this. Like if you’re looking on the video, I know he’s kind of just like. And he’s just looking at me and I’m like I look up from my desk because I see him in my peripheral vision and I’m like, 

Sean: [00:39:44] You wanted. Grab it for the audio listeners.

Ryan: [00:39:46] Yes, so he’s kind of just like he’s got his finger kind of like, you know tapping on his face kind of like or maybe was like fingers on the desk. Just kind of like a hmm. Just kind of staring me down, you 

Sean: [00:39:54] I would describe it as a contemplative look. 

Ryan: [00:39:57] A contemplative look that’s good. Thank you, and he’s like.

He’s like there’s something different about you. And I just don’t know what it is. And I’m quoting I he says it’s not your clothes. It’s not your hair cut because it and I was even wearing a suit or anything. I was wearing just jeans and like a regular button up or something would just you know, what I always what I always were and he’s like there’s just something different about you.

I don’t know what it is. I can’t put my finger on it, but there’s something different about you and this is literally the next morning. Of me doing that invisible counselor session and also a little bit more context. I woke up that morning and I practically bolted out of bed. I was so excited and I hadn’t remembered the last time that I woke up feeling like that, especially in that context of that job having to wake up and go to work which I was never excited about but I had this conversation with these key individuals in my head.

And I just pictured just like, you know, like just going to be up just going to be booming. Like let’s go just ready and rock and I’m thinking about this the night before audibly saying it and requesting and believing that I would have it you have to mix faith in this with as well. You have to believe that these things will it be embodied in yourself what you’re asking?

So I woke up just like boom high levels of energy. Let’s go I get to work within two minutes. My boss is literally like what’s going on with you? And so that was that was pretty amazing like just to have a very quick turnaround of the no seeing an immediate after effect of holding the invisible counselor session in my mind the next day the following day.

That was actually a Monday Sunday night was the was the meditation and the speaking Monday morning was the what’s going on with you Tuesday. I found myself in a Starbucks coffee shop, and I was just sitting down and I was reading a book and I was just really thinking about. Really just meditating on just the idea of being No, actually, that’s not that’s not true.

That’s actually not even true. I was looking at to this is what it was. I was looking at two other people that were in the room and I was thinking those people in my mind in my estimation. They kind of embody. What I was looking for is well kind of that gravitational force in the room. Like, you know, like who are those people?

What are they talking about? Like they kind of have this energy about them and this Charisma the way that they were speaking the way that their mannerisms were. I was just really drawn to them for some reason. So I wasn’t even necessarily meditating on the idea for myself. I was just noticing it into other people.

But anyways, I noticed those people fast forward a little bit. I’m sitting there reading at my chair and. This is just two days after the fact that I said out loud that I want to be a gravitational force in the room highly charismatic. I want people to be like, who is that guy? Literally what I was thinking two days later this lady walks into Starbucks and is a busy Starbucks, but for whatever reason I remember like seeing her out of the corner of my eye.

I looked up from where I was reading. We made eye contact very briefly and I go back to my book. She walks past probably the rest of her something she comes back after she ordered her coffee. Got gets her coffee. She’s about to walk out of the Starbucks and she walks right past my table. and I’m like, okay and she stops dead in her tracks right after she passes my table stops does a 180 turns around and says.

What is your name? Who are you I kiss. Ooh, she’s like I just couldn’t leave this Starbucks without meeting you without having to know. Meet your name see who you are and see what you’re about. She’s like I just couldn’t leave before I met you and I’m like what the heck is going on. I’m like, this is bizarre in my entire.

I think I was 20 maybe 24 years old 25 in my entire 25 years of existing. Nobody has ever said anything like that to me ever like I couldn’t leave before I met you and before I figured out who you were. And literally that was two days after the fact that I had meditated in desired and spoken had faith that I would embody somehow some way.

I don’t know a gravitational and charismatic Aura and force in the room 

Sean: [00:43:53] Where people would say? Who is this person? 

Ryan: [00:43:56] Who is this person? Yeah, that’s bizarre to me. So it’s just it’s just an uncanny story, but it’s just it really impressed. Upon me. The power of meditating and speaking and believing and having faith and you know thinking of these individuals that you want to embody and actually somehow some way it just you live it out based off of the meditations in the faith that you embody so into very powerful, you know ways a stranger in somebody who knew me.

Well, they instantly manifested within the course of just two days. 

Sean: [00:44:34] People can notice very very very slight. Micro expressions like tiny changes that even computers can’t like not not exactly like humans can just it, you know, it’s not even I guess it’s you could call it into itting because it’s kind of hard to understand like look at this photo.

Look at this photo. They look pretty much the same, you know, but like there’s we sense something we can just tell and I you know, I don’t doubt that. That session you had the night before changed your demeanor how you carried yourself, you know, just the tiniest little detail of like, you know the twinkle in your eye or like the smile that like isn’t even you’re not even trying you think you have just like a straight face, but it’s like somehow your face your aura like the way you you’re sitting like it, you know, it’s gravitas.

Ryan: [00:45:38] was just thinking of I forgot the reference it but I believe it’s a Biblical scriptural reference. It says as a man thinks in his heart. So is he something along those lines? Is that 

Sean: [00:45:48] Yeah, that’s 

Ryan: [00:45:49] right? It might be a proverb. I’m not sure but 

Sean: [00:45:52] like a proverb. 

Ryan: [00:45:53] there’s there’s so much truth to that.

It really is like. It’s the classic the man who thinks he can’t who thinks he can is just you know out of the heart spring the abundance of life. Like that’s another Biblical scripture, but it’s just the meditations and the beliefs that you have about yourself. They will physically manifest themselves and like you said, it might even be just like, you know, I feel right now, I’m just kind of grinning right now thinking about the story but like it’s just that smile or like that twinkle in your eye or that energy.

It’s you can you can argue that it’s a little bit somewhat nebulous or amorphous or you know intangible. But I think that it expresses itself in a very explicitly physical Channel and people are able to pick up on that. 

Sean: [00:46:35] we say the takeaway from this is like look just try it out experiment.

Ryan: [00:46:42] Absolutely, I would be disappointed. If you didn’t try it out. I’m going to use that go try it 

Sean: [00:46:51] not saying 

Ryan: [00:46:52] say you’ll do it 

Sean: [00:46:52] I’m not saying you should I’m just saying it would be great. 

Ryan: [00:46:55] Just saying to be great, but I would say. And now it’s just funny because every single time we talk about these things.

I’ve gone through the book four times. I met up with Caleb. I took notes on it. I probably said the same exact things to him that I’m about to say to you now, but it’s like I’m glad that we’re doing this and that I’m exposing myself to this information again. And again, this is sometimes the fourth fifth sixth I’m pass around and this goes back to what we were talking about earlier Sean.

I’m worried. I’m worried that I’m being repetitious in my Instagram videos or whatever but it’s like you like you talk about it’s the magic of seven or like Grant Cardone says, you know, nobody’s sold or the. Sort of sales. I think it’s like 80% is between the fifth and the 12th touchpoint. Like it’s just all in that magic of repetition.

And so I’m glad that I’m being exposed to this but it just highlights again to me the necessity and the benefits of holding these these invisible counselor sessions and he did it nightly, you know for days on end or month on Endor years on end, but I only did it one time and I already saw. Great results from it like and you can just say like, okay somebody noticed you in a Starbucks Ryan or your boss said hey what’s going on?

But like now you’ve got to understand it’s bigger than this. I was like, I was just waking up being like this job, you know, but it literally transformed my in it sounds whatever. I’m just I don’t care. I’m just gonna say it transformed my inner being if you will like it flipped much. It flipped the wellness script on its head.

I wish I could find better words for it. But it was it was a transformational experience and it literally happened overnight like it was an overnight success in like 

Sean: [00:48:32] And the way the way you did this was you close your eyes you scoffed you pictured some figures and you said some words and then through your hands up and said such a stupid thing anyway.

Like in a skeptic Ascent Spirit of skepticism. That’s how you did it. 

Ryan: [00:48:52] I’m actually going to give some people some good news. 

Sean: [00:48:55] All right. 

Ryan: [00:48:58] I did it. Okay, I did it thinking that like hey this could actually work. But so I had some optimism Bubba optimism about. But I’m not going to lie and sit to you here and say like that.

I went to bed going. Oh boy. I can’t wake up to wake up in the morning a different person. Like I was just like let’s just see what happens. Like I didn’t even have full faith that this was going to happen her like this is the way this is the thing. I’m going to stake my life on it. Like I kind of went into it just like a let’s see if this sticks like I literally just like threw it on the wall and be like, all right, let’s go, you know, so.

I would say try it out. I would say have some at least just at very minimum just have an open mind about it. You don’t even have to be full faith. I think that would you know with what I’ve learned through this book and through practical experimentation. I think having faith will help you. I think it will but even if you don’t have the faith that you feel like it’s disingenuous.

If you say that you do have faith whatever and the author addresses that in the earlier chapter on phase so if you’d want to make Faith you can go back to that chapter and literally create it. Even if you don’t have faith just still do it. Just keep an open mind and try it out. And like I said, you may be pleasantly surprised with the results and I can’t promise it but mine was literally overnight.


Sean: [00:50:09] I think that’s that’s actually good because even for me so today is day 207 just to check in on reciting my definite chief aim, you might have remembered from a while back. I mentioned earlier we’ve been going through this book for like eight months. 

Ryan: [00:50:25] Yeah, I don’t 

Sean: [00:50:26] crazy. But yeah, 

Ryan: [00:50:27] It is 

Sean: [00:50:29] 207 days in reciting my definite chief aim and even if you are just going through the moat the Motions when ideally you want to emotionalize it right?

I think it’s still has the effect of at the very least. demonstrating or pointing out your incongruencies. Between your as Gary would say your Ambitions and your actions. So at the very least it’s like it’s making you aware that the things you’re saying that you care about. You’re not actually backing up by doing whatever it is that you should be doing.

So that’s just to the point of. even if you’re kind of just going through the motions. Somewhat skeptically, there’s still benefits. I think you could you can amplify it by actually mixing it with with faith. But 

Ryan: [00:51:23] Absolutely. 

Sean: [00:51:24] yeah. 

Ryan: [00:51:25] There’s benefits across the board that I agree. 

Sean: [00:51:28] This is like this is a good good 

Ryan: [00:51:30] is a good episode.

Sean: [00:51:31] Yeah, good episode 2. 

Ryan: [00:51:34] We had a couple funky ones the past two weeks. I wasn’t really feeling The Vibes in the energy on those. 

Sean: [00:51:39] those were weird 

Ryan: [00:51:40] They were weird and they kind of felt like they lacked a lot of substance to be honest with you, you know, so it’s hard to get. Amped up a to talk about you know, whatever but this one I got I get pumped up about it because it’s like I have some real practical stories.

I can share and how it’s affected me how it affected the author and it’s just fun, so. 

Sean: [00:51:58] Well, there’s only two more episodes there’s one chapter which is at the end of today’s chapter The Sixth Sense. He alludes to the 6. Ghosts of Fear I think is what he called them. Is that is that what he called him?

Ryan: [00:52:14] He says how to outwit the six Ghosts of Fear. Yeah, you’re 

Sean: [00:52:16] Well, that’s that’s the next chapter, but I’m saying he 

Ryan: [00:52:20] Oh at the end of this chapter, you’re right. Yeah. 

Sean: [00:52:22] them, right? Let’s see. So the next chapter presents a detailed instructions for the Mastery of fear previous chapters have described how to develop faith.

Throughout a suggestion desire subconscious and then next we’re going to talk about mastering fear. Here will be found a full description of the six fears, which are the cause of all discouragement. timidity procrastination indifference indecision the lack of ambition. self-reliance initiative self-control and enthusiasm so.

It says search yourself carefully as you study these six enemies and they may exist only in your subconscious mind where their presence will be hard to detect but that’s kind of a little bit of a precursor for next week’s chapter chapter 15 how to outwit the six Ghosts of Fear and then I think we decided we would do a recap chapter.

So we’ll that’ll be after next week. But basically we’ve got two episodes left. 

Ryan: [00:53:31] Mmm better sweet. 

Sean: [00:53:33] Bittersweet. 

Ryan: [00:53:34] I’m excited about this next chapter though because it’s it’s very very very practical, you know, like you talked about even just if you just those five or six things that he spouted off if you are battling with any of those indecision procrastination lack of enthusiasm, like it’s very practical and he ties them into different fears that you may be operating underneath and then even at the very end of the chapter, I believe he gives you a set of questions to answer like a self-analysis.

I want to say. Or it might have been I think it was the list of Alibis. I think that’s what it was but it’s basically like every excuse that you could think of like if if only I had this or if only I had that and he lists about maybe 50 of them, but then he actually goes to the very end and this is kind of how the book caps off but he says if only I had something along the lines of the courage to look myself squarely in the mirror and figure out what is wrong with me than I might actually.

By learning from my mistakes and you know growing from them and moving on from fear and it’s such a but it is a very powerful ending to that chapter. So again, I just got to encourage you again. If you’re just listening to the podcast even if you haven’t read anything else just pick up the book and read that last chapter or just read that last part of the chapter.

It just it’s the 50 Alibis and like because you’ll get fired up on it just by reading that one small little excerpt but very powerful. I’m excited about next week’s chapter. 

Sean: [00:54:54] Cool read chapter 15 and we’ll talk to you next week. Oh, wait wait wait. We should tell people where to find us. You can find me on Instagram at Shawn Wes.

Send me a message. Would love to hear what you think of the show, you know, or whatever else, you know, let’s chat Ryan. Where can people find you online. 

Ryan: [00:55:12] You can also find me on Instagram at Ryan McCabe music and I’d also say send me a message DME. I always respond to any DMS that I get unless it’s obviously spam but I always love to interact and engage with people.

So hit me up with a message just don’t lose a lot of emojis and say you want to increase your this and that cuz I probably will just. Like 

Sean: [00:55:31] You know an increase your reach Ryan. 

Ryan: [00:55:34] No like do you want to increase your Bitcoin Investments and emojis and I’m like, what are you doing my guy 

Sean: [00:55:40] just gonna get troll messages from serious people who listen to the show.

Ryan: [00:55:44] I just manifested it 

Sean: [00:55:45] Come on, Ryan Think and Grow Rich invest in Bitcoin. All right, read chapter 15 will talk to you next week.